The dog in the photo below is Indian Ch. Cadabom’s Neomass Notorio (call name “Ghost”).
This dog makes our Neapolitan freakazoids look moderate by comparison.
He is owned by breeder out of Bangalore named Mr. Satish, who appears to be running a giant breed show mill.
On Ghost’s page, the dog is listed as “the most prolific and havely [sic] wrinkled dog in the world.
Here’s a full-body photo:
His owner has several videos of his “masterpiece” on Youtube.
This is what happens whenever the dog lowers its head:
As you can see from the comments on the videos, Mr. Satish is an asshole. These videos have made their rounds on several other dog blogs, and readers form those blogs have come over to let their feelings about Mr. Satish’s creations be known.
Mr. Satish, who has no good comebacks, because he has adopted the dog show cult system of logic comes back with statements like this:
I think you are a big MORAN + BIG LOSSER….I think you would never get to see this kind of breed in the entire world and therefore you seem to be jealous:-) I have been getting applauds around the world and ppl know the fact.
I’m not a Moran. I’m not even Irish.
I’m not sure what a “losser” is either. Is that short for molosser?
If this asshat is getting applauds from around the world, then there must a larger number of idiots in this world than I thought.
Anyone with half a brain and even the basic understanding of dog anatomy can see that this animal is an absolute monstrosity.
It is something to be pitied, not lauded.
No one is jealous of you, Mr. Satish.
That’s wonderful little dodge you’ve shot out there. You don’t want to answer how much suffering you’re causing this dog. You just want to deny it. You’re not that much different from Western dog fanciers who produce creatures like this one, but your arguments that you’re using to defend this behavior are far less sophisticated.
No. No one would be jealous of someone so stupid and so cruel to consider breeding a dog like a great achievement.
We’re no more jealous of your dogs than we are of your grasp of the English language.
Words fail me. Deplorable and disgusting, especially in a country that purports to revere animals.
I am of Indian parentage and have often encountered this immature, knee-jerk defensiveness whenever any slightly less than laudatory remark is made by people from the Evil West. It’s a post-colonial inferiority complex and we should stop pandering to it.
India needs to grow up if we are to have meaningful exchanges with its people. Wherever we are in the world, this is still a total disgrace.
I’m not criticizing his Indian-ness. I’m criticizing his adoption of Western dog breeding nuttiness and then offering up even more bizarre defenses of his doing so.
I know you’re not. But his idiotic reply to your comment is caused by the self-serving modern cultural background.
How can he deny the suffering caused to this dog and others?
And speaking of “Western dog breeding nuttiness” how much worse is this gentleman from those of us in the West, breeding and selling dogs designed to live in pain and discomfort. We all know the breeds to which this may apply so I won’t mention them by name. The British Kennel Club after years of apathy has at last begun a policy to encourage the breeders of these ‘western monstrosities’ to modify their designs or else phase them out in cases where redesign is no longer possible.
I’ve mentioned it elsewhere, but just to briefly reiterate, fifteen of the most obvious painfully designed breeds are now under strict scrutiny by appointed vets at all important dog shows in Britain. An orchestrated protest group has sprung into (re)action but the British dog loving public are overwhelming in support of the Kennel Club initiative against what is after all a lifetime of cruelty for the breeds in question. Things will change. Lets hope other Western countries with cruel “nutty” designs presently the norm will also follow suit.
I think it’s a mistake to assume that such exaggerations are strictly a Western culture thing. Before dogs, one had people who bound women’s feet (to show that they needn’t work and because they considered it “beautiful”). You have cases of deformation of the neck with stacked neckbands. Ditto for ears, piercings, etc — all done to the human body in attempts to meet the current “what is beautiful”. While what we do to animals isn’t as well documented, there’s at least one instance in ancient history of someone docking a dog’s tail (Greek, IIRC) simply because it looked better.
The difference now is that it’s easier to keep an animal alive medically — although never discount the ability of those who had the money having a slave do nothing but care for something prized — and that there is a concerted competitive push globally to have “more”. The other day there was a woman who made the news regarding tanning — clearly she hadn’t stopped at any normal point. You have weird mutations in chickens, pigeons and fish that are all perpetuated for no particular good reason — just aesthetics. (http://weird-newsblog.blogspot.com/2009/12/weird-and-strange-chicken.html).
This individual may not spell English well. It may not be his native language. But his breeding an animal that is deformed simply for the sake of having something “different” is sadly much more universal. There is less excuse for that. Plenty of good veterinary information is available in Hindi, Bengali, or even Marathi that would inform him that this sort of thing is hardly benign.
It’s only in the West that such a huge number of animals are bred for exaggerations.
It’s also in the West that we have known that this is nonsense of a long time, but people keep on doing it.
Hey Scottie, I’m usually on your side, but feel obligated to point out the “Stargazer” Goldfish, and Black Moor Goldfish. They exhibit the same suite of dwarfism-related traits as many of the dogs being bred in the West.
In any case my response to the photo of “Ghost” is Ugh! What a travesty! This dog is basically nonfunctional. How could he ever herd cattle, hunt, catch a burglar or serve in any of the many roles for which domestic dogs were bred? What he is is a living toy for an elitist collector, a freak of nature. Mr Satish is a not only an asshole (a category not limited to Westerners), he is also a sadist.
What I’m saying is the Neapolitan mastiff wouldn’t look like that if it hadn’t been for the Western fancy. The Indians imported the Western fancy and its axioms.
Which is why this dog looks this way.
India’s indigenous dog breeds are very unexaggerated. Some of the finest tazi-type sight hounds come from India.
The have a mastiff in the Himalayas. It doesn’t look like a Neapolitan mastiff at all.
India did not have to ‘import.’ The British imported the concept of dog shows and registries during the colonial phase. Several of the Ghazni Afghans, imported into England in 1925, were registered with the Indian Kennel Club and shown in what is now Pakistan. Zardin, imported to the UK in 1906, was first described in the Indian Kennel Gazette.
What is more insidious is happening in countries where indigenous dog breeds are actively endangered because their traditional jobs are fading. In an effort to preserve these dogs, fanciers in those countries are turning to the Western model of closed registries and dog shows.
You are so right. I’d just like to add that western zealots, no, fanatics, are out there s/n-ing what’s left of the original land-races. The Kintamani was “rescued” from the program that s/n’d the land race from which it was drawn. It comes to us complete with a mythology that has it as a specially bred mountain farm dog, descended straight from the dingo, blah, blah. Clearly its saviors have been imbibing the cool-aid. Or desperately trying to work out a deal with the s/n NGO’s.
When x-breeding among our “improved” or “indigenous” breeds fails to save them from genetic disaster, we may need the genetic reservoir of hardy, nature-bred stray dogs.
(Before anybody jumps in here to argue, let me add that the rationales for these programs have to do with cruelty (better to die now than later from starvation or traffic accidents) and rabies. I find it hard to believe that a s/n program is cheaper than kibble, a rabies shot and a quick death for dogs hit by cars.)
Thanks for bringing up this issue.
Ah, I see, okay–I agree.
Thank you so much for posting this! I wanted to gag when I saw it. Perhaps the Kennel Club in Britain causes the most suffering in entire breeds as a whole, but as far as suffering caused by genetic manipulation in one individual dog just for show, well, this is the worst case I’ve come across in a lonnnnnnng time, and it happens to be in India!
I worry not about making sure my calling-out of sick visualizations of dogs is spread evenly to all countries and cultures. I just call’em as I see’em.
Got it in one, Collie Chick, our Kennel Club actually owns the copyrights to all these standards which define the exaggerations which have caused misery to thousands and thousands of distortedly and painfully bred dogs over many years of breeding – and the consequent huge veterinary expenses which result.
However, the vet costs are secondary to stopping the cruelty.
The hobby of dog showing and breeding is ‘guilty as charged’ for not reforming it,long ago, so it is important to move forward towards a culture of reform rather than one of blame.
You do whatever you like in other countries, at least we are now on the right ethical track in Britain. I hope it succeeds, obviously.
And you know what – you will be doing this yourselves before long, just wait and see.
I hope so Peter, I truly do.
As do I. I am actually going to an AKC show tomorrow. I am going because my mom wants to go see the Kerry Blue Terriers. No one else could make me attend this. I love her so. Damn! At any rate I’ll be checking the hubub. I’m sure I’ll walk away as usual with the take that if we DO follow the Brits, it will be slowly, kicking and screaming.
What what the pups be like if you crossed one of those dogs with an English Bulldog?
Actually, a lot better.
Virtually all the bad Neo traits are recessive, and the bulldog traits are too.
A cross between the two would be wrinkled up to the bulldog level and have a long tail.
The dog needs surgery. Think of how it must smell in that humidity. I can see bright red inflamed folds on it’s entire body. That guy is an ass!
I’ve seen crosses between wrinkled and non wrinkled and, in those cases certainly, the pup had been significantly ironed out. Brachycephalic to less brachycephalic results variable; some still brachcephalic indicating maybe recessive brachy genes in the longer faced parent?
Almost a coincidence there Miss Chick, Mary, my wife and I used to breed and show a breed related to Kerrys, the soft coated wheaten, actually for three years we were flattered with the title “Britain’s top breeders” (but mainly reflecting the show successes of people who had bought our puppies)
In those days the wheatens here were not trimmed smartly like the kerrys, which was a shame as more wheaten group wins might have resulted. To be honest neither were the wheatens in those days quite up to the kerrys in conformation. The wheatens in England must have been insufficentlyoutcrossed, mainly because at the time there was an unwillingness of the Irish and English breeders to mix our respective versions of a numerically small breed. Eventually Mary and I were lucky to use an American dog imported by a journalist working over here for the New York Times. It worked and one day resulted in reserve best terrier at Crufts. Then we decided it was time for something easier, for us anyway.
All I know is today wheatens are so reknowned for skin problems. I’ve been conversing with a woman who rescued a wheaten that nearly died from skin complications. She used both conventional and holistic methods and the integrative combo plus carefully selected raw foods seem to have brought the dog back from the brink.
Do you know if anyone breeds WORKING kerries anymore? I am guessing there isn’t much of a call for them but I’m just curious. At a glance they seem to be doing better than a lot of other breeds, but in the ring I always want to snip that hair off of their face, away from their eyes.
The Irish used their terriers in much the same way we use our feists. They were meant to be multipurpose farm dogs, ratters, herders, vermin killers.
Most notions of what terriers are supposed to do as “work” in this country are based upon smaller terriers, like Jack Russells, Patterdales, etc, that were used to flush foxes from dens into the jaws of foxhounds.
The Irish working class and the American farmer bred mostly larger terriers to hunt game above ground.
I don’t know of anyone who uses Kerrys or Wheatens to do the work of feists in this country, but it is better to compare them to feists than to the Jack Russells and the fox terrier family.
My heart goes out to this poor creature who is stuck in such an awful body… It is really hard to even look at this dog. The breeder should be imprisoned in a fat suit with a black hood over his/her head for the rest if his/her life. Inexcusable.
I first saw these images on the PDE wesbiste. Confusing. It would be PhD project (ie.several years honest work for an intelligent but not-yte-committed [hopefully] to sort out the facts). Has anyone seen a good overview of how the UK and other dog breed standards ramify through the former colonies?
The biggest problem with written breed standards is far less in the written words (although many are very ambiguous), than in the way people interpret them. If a breed standard says a dog should have “good substance”, many people will interpret that to mean “the more the better” when what it really means something like “substance appropriate to the breed and to the breed’s historical purposes”. But if one is not already well acquainted with those basics, then the words of the standard may well be taken any way the reader may be inclined.
One of our more astute dog judges once wrote that “the ideal of any breed is to be found at the center of its breed standard.” That is, that any feature carried to excess or exaggeration (in any direction) must be considered wrong, and not be rewarded.
Unfortunately, far too many of people “in dogs” today really do lack understanding and knowledge of what should be basic. They may quote words from the standards, but have no conception of what those words were intended to mean.
Some breed standards seem to be so specific as to definte inches to the shoulder and ideal weights, yet people diverge even with these instructions. Ex: I believe the Rhodesian ridgeback standard for either height or weight is a single number instead of a range. I forget which it is, but whatever it is, I’ve seen some humongous ones in America. The excuse is “Well, they didn’t write it well because no one can make a dog that exact.”
Another excuse is that 100 years ago, people’s dogs worked harder and were not fed well so of COURSE they would be smaller.
Never mind the possibility that bigger is not always better; that a 70-80 lb dog would have more endurance running down quarry than a dog weighing 100 lbs or more.
Hi masakadoshiba – Inu.
Yours was one of the breeds Mary and I were thinking of changing to in the late eighties/ early nineties, they and the polish lowland sheepdogs were listed on the imported breeds register at the time, and of course they were both a novelty here at the time. We finally opted for the polish because I think we regarded the shiba inua as a bit aloof, albeit an incredibly neat and smart canine concept – almost evoking something wild and primitive. Maybe we chose wrongly. You can tell us from your experience now its too late!
They are all dogs in the end :)
You are a long time fancier if it was in the 80’s you started researching them. I love this breed particularly because it is not over exaggerated (Shibas). I also have a Kai Ken and a Caucasian Ovcharka. Lots of old genes there, nothing fancy. Show breeding has changed them in the US somewhat, particularly in the UKC (Kai and Ovcharka).
I strive to find ways to work my breeds and breed the dogs that will do their work for me so some of what they once were and still are (Kai especially are very much a near wild hunting dog in Japan) is not lost. It is hard since there isn’t much oppurtunity stateside sometimes to give them those chances (guarding, hunting), but I have very much altered my own life around their needs and try to keep them doing what they were bred to do as much as possible, at great expense and frustration sometimes. I also show them, so people who say show dogs can’t work can eat it.
The Shibas and Kai have a bird shooting and hunting lesson this week. As far as I know, these three dogs we are taking will be three dogs of maybe 7-8 native Japanese dogs in total that are actively hunting/training for hunt in the US at this time.
And yes, they can be very aloof, but many are not. Mine tend to be very interested in meeting new people, although they may not appreciate much physical contact.
I think the Shiba Inu in particular looks very much like a down-sized dingo. My neighbor has two, the male is stand-offish the female is very friendly and outgoing.
The shiba inu was popularly referred to, when it arrived in Britain, as a smaller version of the akita inu; I think this is what the japanese had told us they were to be considered.
Retriever man, as ever you are the great reseacher. The wheaten was indeed the all purpose Irish farm dog: for hunting with, guarding the farm etc. Way back the Irish peasant, under the yoke of the evil anglo Irish land owners, were not permitted to own wolfhounds and so needed to have an allpurpose dog. Tis said the wheaten filled that role and was the ancestral breed behind all Irish terrier breeds. I know there is a lot behind that theory, but was it all true?
And yes the Irish were and are noted for breeding their terriers informally, so to speak. I recall at one major show in England in the eighties a professional Irish handler showed a dog in wheaten classes which was obviously of mixed parentage, to our English perception. The consensus around the ring was that it was part kerry, but since the visiting handler would talk to no one we will never know. Secretly I was of the view that it was time to outcross the breed anyway. Look at the trouble breeds get into with the buildup of bad genes.
Where we go dog walking in the hills near here we regularly meet with a perfect mini wheaten looking dog which the owner tells me is actually a cross between wheaten and cairn. I think terrier breeds could be easily crossed for health whilst remaining mainly true to type.There seems a growing mood to experiment a bit more. I’m not sure where the ‘cockapoo’ ‘labradoodle’ experimentation will go, but one hears of some people in Australia making moves to establish a labradoodle breed. Personally I think that if it is not done intelligently they will end up with the same close breeding problem as before. I tend to think it’s better to breed F1’s, for pets anyway, on the principle that the F1 pups will hopefully only carry the bad genes from either breed recessively. I’m no expert on this theory though.
It is a great game guessing the natiure of cross, where we walk. Owners are very impressed when one guesses correctly. It gets difficult when its a three way cross, as many of the lurchers tend to be. Great fun!
This is appalling!
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this is not neapolitan mastiff………….this is dosa or korean mastiff,is a breedin of neapolitan mastiff,dogue de bodeaux,tosa inu and mastiff english…….stop!!……….i am italian man and the neapolitan mastiff is not with this dog……………..this is not good selection,this is shit
He’s very similar to a Dosa, but he’s registered as a Neapolitan mastiff.
http://www.cadaboms.com/ghost.html