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Recessive hairlessness in deerhounds

August 9, 2012 by SWestfall3

This is not caused by the same mutation that makes “Chinese” crested dogs and Latin American hairless dogs bald.

Pretty freaky, eh?

Deerhounds are supposed to be wire-haired as protection against the elements and running in rough country.

These dogs don’t have that advantage.

 

 

 

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Posted in dog breeds | Tagged hairless deerhounds, hairless dogs | 18 Comments

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  1. on August 9, 2012 at 8:07 pm Pai

    http://www.scottish-deerhound.com/forum/5-general-deerhound-chat/15066-hairless-deerhound


    • on August 9, 2012 at 8:25 pm Pai

      These apparently pop up from time to time, and have been recorded in the breed fairly far back.


      • on August 10, 2012 at 6:19 am megrim43

        Anastasia Noble told me about this years ago, but I have never seen one. Would be interested to know the genetics of it.

        Elizabeth


        • on August 10, 2012 at 7:41 am retrieverman

          I wonder if it is related to the hairlessness that exists in the American hairless terrier, which is also recessive. This terrier is derived from the rat terrier, which has sight hound in it.


          • on August 10, 2012 at 10:22 am Kate Williams

            I wonder about that also. Hairlessness al occurs in other species as a recessive. I think that recessive hairlessness has always been a possibility in dogs. Has anyone studied it yet? I have recently come to entertain the idea that Mexico also found the recessive hairless gene. Entertain the idea, not believe, but enough to to be interested in any more examples like this.


  2. on August 9, 2012 at 8:27 pm pennypup

    Wow. It’s really interesting to see what they look like under all that fuzz.
    I still prefer them fuzzy though. =D


  3. on August 9, 2012 at 8:34 pm ragingbulldogges

    Wow! Do you know anything about its genetics? Do they have the same dentition issues as the Xolos do?


    • on August 9, 2012 at 8:36 pm retrieverman

      I don’t think so. Pai might correct me, but she said that some of the dentition stuff isn’t what it appears.


    • on August 9, 2012 at 9:04 pm Pai

      I don’t think they do. The American Hairless Terrier (which is just a Rat Terrier with recessive hairless mutation) also has complete dentition. For whatever reason the recessive hairless mutation doesn’t seem to affect tooth development the way the FOXI3 one does.


  4. on August 10, 2012 at 10:27 am Kate Williams

    That incomplete dentition- at least a missing pre-molar, seems to have characterized many local types of Indian dogs in the early days of contact. I have seen it described in Grover Allan and other places. It is widely mentioned in the old books, but doesn’t appear to be discussed any more.


  5. on August 12, 2012 at 9:56 am Jen Robinson

    Too bad those who created the crestie didn’t have the smarts to go for the recessive hairless gene.


    • on August 12, 2012 at 6:41 pm Pai

      The problem with recessive hairlessness is inbreeding because people don’t want to outcross and have to wait a generation to get ‘true-breeding’ hairless dogs again. Genetic diversity is an issue in AHTs for this reason, since they are descended from a single hairless female who was bred back to her father and son to create more hairless offspring.

      The dominant hairless gene is not as problematic as some people like to portray it. A dog missing premolars and a couple other teeth is far from a welfare crisis. Honestly I think mostly it boils down to people think they’re freaky-looking, and are eager to believe the worst about them as a result.


      • on August 12, 2012 at 10:36 pm DesertWindHounds

        Teeth are a problem in almost every toy breed, some lines more so than others. And I’ve never heard that Cresteds are more prone to skin conditions or allergies than any other breed.


  6. on August 12, 2012 at 2:03 pm Kate Williams

    Except then, the Cresties wouldn’t have those fancy furnishings. They’d be some kind of Xolo.

    The meaning of Xolotl dogs is such that the local people would have also bred any recessive hairless Xolos as they did the lethal dominant the AKC xolos are based on.

    I have wondered why at least one early account of the hairless dogs said they had fuzz when born…


    • on August 12, 2012 at 6:44 pm Pai

      Yes, those early comments about indigenous dogs born with fuzz who then lost it is very intriguing. I don’t doubt there may have been more than one hairless gene in play over there at the time.


  7. on July 4, 2013 at 3:40 pm dr ajay rathore

    they r very similar to rampur hound


  8. on January 17, 2014 at 10:11 pm dogmaps

    Beautiful dogs! But maybe not right for Scotland.


  9. on August 5, 2014 at 8:10 pm Paddyannie

    Have any more hairless Scottish Deerhounds been found or born?



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